the egyptian defense minister has said the military may have to take the situation over. it looks like president morsy lost control. it looks like the muslim brotherhood lost control. in fact, the whole thing looks like a mistake. i want to ask you, how close are we to a military regime in egypt? >> i don't think we're very close. what you're seeing is the beginnings of a democracy. morsy was elected. a lot of people are unhappy with some of his policies. they are trying to express their opposition. obviously if it was complete chaos the military might step in. we have leverage with them because of the military assistance we provide. i think this is more growing pains. this is not the first time this has happened. remember, morsy was very helpful to us in brokering the cease-fire between hamas and israel. we're going to have to li with this for a while. you can't go from an autocracy like they had under mubarak to a functioning democracy right away. >> ambassador ginsberg there is civil unrest in all major egyptian cities, curfews aren't working. the muslim brotherhood is